So apparently scientists finally got around to doing some of their sciencey experiments on the brains of a large group of people who’ve probably spent the past 15 years listening to nothing but Prodigy’s “Fat of the Land” album (which is to say, heavy users of MDMA — the drug commonly known as ecstasy).
They found that ecstasy isn’t nearly as bad for the brain as previously thought.
The study was led by a Harvard Medical School professor and funded by the Natiional Institute on Drug Abuse. Its findings were reported in last week’s issue of Addiction, because I know you’re probably a regular subscriber to that. According to the study’s lead researcher, past studies had been affected by studying subjects who liked ALL drugs not just ecstasy, which skewed the results:
The resulting experiment whittled down 1,500 potential participants to 52 selected users, whose cognitive abilities matched those of a group of 59 non-users. “We even took hair samples of participants to test whether they were telling the truth about their drug and alcohol habits,” said Halpern. “Essentially we compared one group of people who danced and raved and took ecstasy with a similar group of individuals who danced and raved but who did not take ecstasy. When we did that, we found that there was no difference in their cognitive abilities.”
So on one hand, we have a new wide-scale study showing that ecstasy doesn’t turn your brain into delicious Jell-O Pudding Pops.
On the other hand…..




So what you're saying is all those raver kids act like idiots because they are idiots?
He already said they were kids, so idiocy doesn't need to be restated.
I dunno, if ecstasy makes people think reflector-tape pants are cool, I think the jury is still out on the whole "brain damage" issue.
ack. in the last picture, the guy on the right is worse than a scary clown.
Thanks for saying so. I thought I was on drugs.
The adverse effects of MDMA have always been contested. But if people who take ecstasy end up looking like that maybe health care professionals should just stick to telling everyone it will lead to instant death.
I for one believe that anything cooked up in a basement, with god-knows-what as ingredients and no product testing, should be consumed instantly and in mass quantities.
Sounds like most 'natural' health products out there today.
Zakley!
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While it may be true that pure MDMA won't cause permanent brain damage, it is still not a safe drug. Too often, I've seen patients that have ingested MDMA laced with other amphetamines, such as methamphetamine, which truly complicates their withdrawal process and increases the biochemical dangers. Additionally, the lowering of inhibitions from MDMA use, also tends to increase risk-taking behaviors and poly-substance use/abuse.
True. The last time I rolled, we (about 10 of us) later realized it was cut with meth when no one could sleep three days later. I was so miserable the following week I swore off pills. I could have just gotten a test kit I suppose…
Well, if I ever had any desire to try meth (I didn't), this would stop me.
WORST. Drug. Evar.
Better run run run run run away!!
No kiddinz, it'll kill you in no time flat. If speed is your thing, stick to legit ADHD meds.
I will letter-bomb you with Faces of Meth if you even think about it for a millisecond.
You know what's almost worse? Google image search : meth mouth.
I like sleeping well waaaay too much to ever consider meth a welcome addition to my life.
Nothing fun is 100% safe.
I was going to say "sex", but then… duh.
I'll stick to getting my fun in less risky ways. Like, posting here at crasstalk. Seriously, though, it's pretty risky for me to post, as my employer LOVES to fire people for "inappropriate Internet activity."
I did it once and ONLY once back in 1987. It was the only thing I've ever done that immediately upon the end of the buzz, I wanted to go find some more and do it again. Vowed not to try it again as I know I'd be hooked.
Plus, I'm ashamed to say that the entire night I listened to Decade of Steely Dan. Over and over and over again.
It's been several years but I've got to be honest with you guys…
I fucking LOVE to roll.
I've retired from everything else (sans booze) but I'm thinking that I may have one more go at this on a beach someplace.
A crasstalk cuddle puddle would be awesome!
I'll bring the Vicks!
I'll get the bag-o-toys out of the attic!
ETA: TIGER BALM BITCHES!
That shit's the balm! (bomb) (my girlfriend hates it when I make that joke.) (I make that joke all the time.)
Your girlfiends eyes probably permanently roll. I bet she can't even drive anymore.
I got my first Chemical Brothers CD around here somewhere…
YES!
That actually popped up on my mp3 player the other night and it still really really rocks.
#boughtonrelease
#iamanold
oh man, I have to chime in here. The night that I pierced my belly button (gawd, nearly 15 yrs ago) and we went to a rave and rolled. I don't even remember wheat kind of music they played, but I remember requesting some Chem Bros and the dj laughed in my face.
I was wearing a bucket hat with Scooby Doo on it.
Yes! I used to do it quite a bit and my friends and I were always at this one club and this woman would walk around with peppermint on her hands. She would cup her hands over our mouths and we'd breath in. It was amazing. And she'd ALWAYS have cold water for people to drink. She never did anything either. She was just a super nice person who maybe got off on mothering a bunch of people gnawing on their lips.
Dehydration is a major X problem but when you're high it's so easy to be forgetfu … whoa!! that is soooooo byoo-ti-fool, yo!
Mmm, pepperminty! She was probably one of the many earth mother caregiver deadhead ladies who folded their party maintenance hobby into the rave world.
cuddle puddles = gross.
people who put vick's on other people's faces = gross
being an innocent 15 year old would be fun again though.
I will totally come. And bring my Aerodynamic CD, along with DJ Dan, and DJ Irene and Paul Oakenfeld, and Paul van Dyke, and I think I still have some of those bracelets or at least a box of the beads lying around somewhere.
Man, you just brought back a bunch of memories. I had Funk the System, Global House DJ, Beats for Freaks, Bunkka, and Tranceport.
I have an urge to put on really big pants right now. . .
Slap on some 30 guage JNCOs
I used to have a neon yellow pair.
I had a black pair with yellow stripes. I'm pretty embarrassed about it. Haha.
If I had anything to be embarrassed by, it was trading bracelets with people based on which Sailor Moon Senshi the colors coordinated with. Am I embarrassed? Hell no.
I had huge orange pants. And either a neon blue shirt or a huge "don't hesitate to medicate" shirt. And short purple hair. God, I want to go back in time and punch myself. And then steal my drugs.
Haha! If you go, take me with you!
Good to see you, btw. It's been awhile.
Thanks! Glad there is a place we can act like old times.
I used to wear one of those huge silver ball necklaces and had a t-shirt with a grafitti-style drawing of aliens smoking weed and a big puffy Nautica jacket.
So ridiculous.
You mean, you don't dress like that, still? I've had you pegged all wrong!
those were so stupid! (I still see kids wearing them.) Around '98 in LA there was this dood who sewed like 200 plushie dolls to his 40 inchers, and would set up a booth selling "candy."
Those guys still exist, in 2011! I've seen them!
Get out of town. Really? I always just assume that a scene ends after I leave it. Hahaha.
Now, the thing that creeps me out in retrospect is the fact that dudes in their 30s-40s were hanging out with 15 year old girls on "sexy" drugs. They all looked the same, too. Ain't that some shit?
I tried it a few times in college. The first time was pure high-energy I'm-an-elecric-rainbow-and-OMG-let-me-play-with-your-boobs bliss for a solid 6 hours (followed by a day-long low). The second time, got a bit of a buzz, but it wore off quickly (followed by another day-long low). Third time – no high, just 2 days of intense depression. I gave up after that.
Yikes. I would have, too.
Electronic music is terrible.
… and all "analog" music is … good?
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Oh, Head Tingler! I saw this and immediately had to go get mine out of the gaming cabinet where I keep it and give myself a nice long tingle.
After putting on New Order Substance Disc 1. On repeat.
I never understood the need to dress up in Rainbow Brite attire when going to a rave. Anyone care to explain?
And yes, I've gone to raves, although they were just called parties, not raves. Does that make them not raves?
PARTIES.
Thank you. Only poseurs would call them raves.
Oh man. "Poseurs". Way to bring me back to 1998. What a weird time.
That's because it drains your spinal fluid. C'mon, everyone knows that.
Now, what wasn't refuted or discounted is, to me, the scariest side effect of MDMA, and that is anhedonia.
Yes, friends and neighbors, the inability to feel pleasure. Let that one soak in for a while. Scary, huh?
To be fair, it's not the punter who hits it one or two times who is going to have this side effect. It's long-term, habitual MDMA use that causes anhedonia.
"an inability to experience pleasurable emotions from normally pleasurable life events such as eating, exercise, social interaction or sexual activities"
An inability to experience pleasure from eating? Oh god, that would be TERRIBLE. Eating is the ONLY thing that gives me pleasure, I think.
Bing, bing, bing! Yep, seen it. Pretty awful to witness.
This is what keeps me from rolling too frequently. Having had problems with depression and anxiety in my past, I'm always a little afraid of permanently disrupting the brain pathways of happiness in any way.
That said, I still love me some E. Did it with some friends on NYE this year – the good stuff in gel caps, not the pressed tablets – and had one of the best nights I'd had in awhile. Significantly better than the coke-fueled NYE of the year before.
Yeah, this. It's not pretty.
Those aren't ravers in the last pic. Those are rejects from the local Wyoming chapter of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
Love the backpack in pic #2
I've got a Laa-Laa TeleTubby backpack myself. Sometimes I wear it like a Snugli …
… and sometimes I put it on The Fierce Winki Dog, who looks like a long shot on Veteran-Bitches-with-Jockeys-Aboard Day at the dog track.
This just makes me miss DJ Irene.
Nobody posted any tunes yet? Pikers.
I've posted this a couple of times on old CT I think but that's because I don't believe anyone's ever done a booming house tune better.
[youtube rhYWmLfk7yc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhYWmLfk7yc youtube]
I actually just posted this last night.
[youtube D_wVOA_95QU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_wVOA_95QU youtube]
I love that episode of Spaced like it was my own flesh and blood.
In the mid/late 80's, ecstacy was still prescribed as an antidepressant and was sometimes a door prize at gay clubs.
And it was freaking fun.
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This was the only raving I did today. Good trip, though.
DJ Lance Rock = forever fonzed.
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I'm pretty sure the desire to listen to Prodigy in any significant quantities should qualify as 'adverse effects'.
[...] was Presidents Day and in honor of that, we talked about our e-fueled days as vintage 90s ravers. In honor of that, here’s a clip from the greatest rave-inspired movie ever, “Human [...]
You know, I was explaining to someone the other day that if I ever went off the wagon, it would be on a three day binge of this and coke. I would dance non stop just like I did that summer I spent in Ibiza where tabs were cheaper than beer.
Just hearing certain songs brings me right back. I get that taste in teh back of my throat and my blood pressure starts to rise.
I need to get out more.
Jeez. Although I haven't played a rave in a couple of years, I used to love playing to candy kids. At least they'd dance.
More of my friends have been brought down by coke than have been brought down by E. Whatever, MDMA, or just an "E," the fact of the matter is that no matter how much you do, you can't do it more than a couple of times a month before it just plain doesn't work anymore. Coke is different. You can do it every single day and it still works.
Emotional problems on the other hand, that's a different story. I think that if you're doing any large amount of drugs for any extended period of time, you're going to have emotional problems.
"1,500 potential participants [whittled down] to 52 selected users, whose cognitive abilities matched those of a group of 59 non-users"
Well, that's an interesting variable to begin the study with.
Lol, then they concluded: "we found that there was no difference in their cognitive abilities.” Well duh.
But really, are psychological after-effects included in this 'cognitive abilities' spectra?
Also, how do you define a 'user' here? Once, twice, 3x a month? 3X A WEEK? And what's the standard of when they started partying ~ within the last year or two, or since they were 14 (and now they're 23)? Effect on developing teenage brains versus adult brains…
This is why I am procrastinating on writing my [fake] research proposal that's due in a day. Too much junk to address.